I think this new voicenote thing for progress update is cool
Shared by Peerhose.com · 43d ago · 70 comments

I think it will save a lot of time for us to review each others progress update. Thank you Pioneer team for adding this feature.

fernandocordeiro · 42d ago

Also pretty unhappy.

1. This is supposed to be a global community. It's one thing to write/read in English - to speak well is quite another. It's a discriminatory feature.
2. As a former PM, this is not how experiments should be run. You don't just drop a new feature to 100% of your user base with no prior warning. At the very least you run an AB test first or run some pilot run with a handful of users
3. It makes it harder to distinguish the good feedback from the bad. Now the good ones will be hidden by the auto-transcript issues, whereas the bad will be hidden by eloquence.
4. It's less async than text. With text I could leave the project I was giving feedback on marinating inside my mind.
5. I can't give resources like URLs and the like
6. Most importantly, I hate the way I sound!

curtaustin · 42d ago

I agree with all of this, #6 is very very important and can be tied to #1. Mental anxiety and the stress related is a real problem and can be detrimental to the entrepreneur struggling to create. If a person feels awkward about the way they sound, or struggle with the language they shouldn't feel pressured to use this feature. Thanks for stating this, it is unfortunate and I am hopeful it was an unintentional mistake to improve user experience.

bukunmi · 42d ago

I rant about this same issue too. And my post probably went into oblivion. It got removed sadly that sucks.

At least give people the option to choose between text and voice.

AndyDent-Touchgram · 42d ago

Really unhappy about forcing us to use this.
It makes it harder to capture what I said - I compare what I say each week to what I've said previously to that startup.
Abandoning text means also abandoning automatically detecting people who submit the same comments across most of their reports.

andrew-miit.co · 42d ago

100%

It wouldn't work for me so I wasn't even able to vote. Plus as you have mentioned almost impossible to leave useful links which to me is one of the best ways to add value to feedback.

bukunmi · 42d ago

I second this.

AndyDent-Touchgram · 42d ago

Also, when it comes to receiving feedback, I'm now going to have to take the time to listen to each one and transcribe them into my own notes, so it will take at least 4x of my time. I can skim-read a lot faster than 90 seconds per comment.

curtaustin · 42d ago

I agree with all of this after a couple realized that the listener, and myself, will have to listen and vote. As well, the most valuable feature I have found was being able to refer back to feedback and links provided. If this is the way it is going in the future, it will be hard to continue.

manojranaweera · 42d ago

Hi Andy

That's my worry as well. My first thought was - now is the time to leave Pioneer. I can't be arsed to listen several times to understand the feedback. But decided to experience it first before leaving.

Neanderthal · 42d ago

You left many times already. Let us know your experience if in YouTube screencast even better.

manojranaweera · 42d ago

You must be mistaken me for someone. I've been very consistent.

abdulsalaudeen · 42d ago

I'd prefer if we can choose to either comment via text or voice. Does anyone have difficulties in giving feedback? I was able to give feedback using the voice feature and now it stopped working.

curtaustin · 42d ago

Choice would be a nice option.

Neanderthal · 42d ago

It is still an experiment. I think it will be an optional to give feedback by audio from starting next week. It was just a smoke test.

abdulsalaudeen · 42d ago

exactly

DotDotJames · 43d ago

much prefer text or at least let us still type out if want to instead -- if I want to talk can just use push to talk on my phone and let it locally transcribe -- and right now am an in a noisy environment so having to wait until in a quiet spot is well -- annoying

curtaustin · 42d ago

Text is more convenient to type a sentence, verify a weblink or pause when leaving feedback. Reviewing would be the same, if not more difficult due to the need to focus on the feedback.

bukunmi · 42d ago

Why not let us have the option to use one over the other if we wish to? I prefer the text feedback to voice. That's just me.

DotDotJames · 42d ago

comments as founder who's building an audio / video messaging platform:

* audio / video are great as options -- e.g., it was great when Pioneer gave founders the option to include a weekly review video -- now just do same by uploading separately including a YouTube link as part of our update

* having audio or video as only option is such a bad look for lots of reasons -- the most notable is the accessibility and discriminatory risk, e.g., below

* deaf or hard of hearing founder who not want to leave audio notes or is forced to only have access to the fairly poor automated transcripts as example

* same through lens of Pioneer as global virtual accelerator -- makes it harder for us to collaborate across language boundaries in ways similar to how others have mentioned

* lots of async reasons -- know of founder who was traveling yesterday who was forced to wait til travel ended, I was working in coffee shop, etc. - audio as only option is just ehhhhhh

* certain info hard to share -- e.g., sharing a URL is pretty much impossible

* it's also just over engineering for the most part -- if I want to dictate notes, I can just click my mic on my phone -- no real need for this, especially cuz it's hard not to wonder about privacy issues -- don't mind sharing text, not wholly comfortable being forced to use audio voice here and if being stored, etc.

bottom line -- maybe audio as an option, but really, the current implementation needs to rethought out -- heck, any other community platform pretty much only has audio has option - IG on mobile, Slack, Discord, etc.

adeelkhan-ASI · 25d ago

How are things at sloop.ai? If I may ask.

DotDotJames · 42d ago

oh -- and the automated transcripts are basically useless -- take a look at AWS or rev.com -- pretty much had to listen to all the audio replies instead of just scanning text in seconds, so waste of time as clock-pressured founder

manojranaweera · 43d ago

Had fun with voice notes. Great opportunity to pitch https://skilledup.life before I respond to the ASK.

I kept running out of the 90s. Perhaps there could be a warning 10 and 5 seconds before.

Versoly.com · 42d ago

Why are you pitching in the feedback?

manojranaweera · 42d ago

Hi Volken

That's because I genuinely believe I can help each tech company (not service companies) on Pioneer progress further with our 2,458 volunteers from 70 countries.

The trick is to unlock the volunteers by first appointing an HR Volunteer who can then manage your https://skilledup.life account and source all the talent you need.

Just upvoted https://www.producthunt.com/posts/saas-pages. Wow, you got 2,120 votes. That's amazing.

Versoly.com · 42d ago

Most of us here are allergic to selling. The second we see it we run away.

The things we love are people who ship and share results.

You would do much better if you just sticked to being helpful (no need to pitch).

Also I think i mentioned on another comment you might be doing too much.

Try to be focused. Pick a niche and dominate.

manojranaweera · 42d ago

The truth of the matter is I got to work out the Return on my time investment here. The clever founders who are commercially minded have already left Pioneer.

Neanderthal · 42d ago

Wow, that is a bold statement, Manoj! BTW, I very much liked the video you made for me. Thank you!

manojranaweera · 42d ago

No worries. I actually think, deep down, the reason I am here is I just like to chat. I still believe I can convert some of you. But that might just be an illusion.

I should just focus on pre-seed startups who are on https://deallite.uk

Sadly I cannot chat like this with my own group of tech companies. They are keeping their heads down and killing it - they are going to be challenged in 2022. https://www.techcelerate.ventures/members

Our companies are £0 to £1m+ ARR and one them is exploring an Exit. Just advised him.

Neanderthal · 42d ago

Okay, here are my suggestions for you to improve your conversion rates from Pioneer folks. I think you should try to get to the top 10 on Pioneer global leaderboard and maintain that position as long as you can. That alone should send you decent traffic to your site, plus you get some recognition. You also need to redesign your website into a really neat one. You should also release more YouTube content in 4k format and more PDF case studies on your website. Remember, everything should be very, very neat.

manojranaweera · 42d ago

Now, that's one of the best feedbacks I had from anyone on here. Thank you Sir!

Neanderthal · 42d ago

I'm glad to be of help. Thank you, too!

manojranaweera · 42d ago

I met a company just now who is raising £400k to build their MVP. Going to show them how to do it for about £30k.

Neanderthal · 42d ago

What is the product?

manojranaweera · 42d ago

Kill Facebook!

Neanderthal · 42d ago

Ok.

Neanderthal · 43d ago

Stop the pitching. Otherwise, you'll get downvoted as spam/ill informed.

manojranaweera · 42d ago

Let's hope not, as I genuinely believe, https://skilledup.life can help every serious tech company on here.

Some awesome talent coming through. Just made a practising solicitor our head of HR yesterday, as she loves how we can help her gain Experience in another discipline.

Neanderthal · 42d ago

Ok.

manojranaweera · 42d ago

Not to be too arrogant, but I have been here since 1st Aug 2020. At some point in time, I would have to stop, just like all others who have stopped before me.

I would like to help as many companies as possible before I leave. So messaging is important. But I do provide genuine feedback, every time. Never done copy and paste and enter feedback that has nothing to do with the company.

Never deployed any of my team on my behalf to leave comments as some of the companies do. Never played any tricks to game Pioneer.

But I am here to build a business. If I don't promote my business, who would?

Neanderthal · 42d ago

I totally understand, Manoj. It is just the constant plug of ads makes you get tired. Instead, I would suggest, just giving a kind of feedback that arouses intense curiosity on folks. You have 90 seconds to charm. If you can do that, you'll be a magnet for success. Just saying.

fernandocordeiro · 42d ago

100%
It's exhausting to hear that pitch again and again in your feedback after a while. :'(

manojranaweera · 42d ago

The end is getting closer. Enjoy whilst it lasts!

manojranaweera · 42d ago

Yes. That's good feedback. Thanks

Neanderthal · 42d ago

I think this audio feedback going to be very interesting. It's time to be creative. Please, could you document your experience as a YouTube/Loom video for today's feedback?

manojranaweera · 42d ago

Do you mean reviewing the voice notes left on my weekly update? My reaction to them?

Neanderthal · 42d ago

Yes. Are you able to do that?

manojranaweera · 42d ago

Done https://www.loom.com/share/a5b5997be1824c19a56f4a47d6921eb8

I wanted to have a go at you. I got my wish.

Neanderthal · 42d ago

Ooo that's fantastic! You melt me, Manoj! Thank you for doing it for me. Never received such kind of attention. I am impressed, the video is powerful and a whole new thing. I think I cannot maintain one-to-one chat with you or other humans. You guys are formidable and I am too obtuse. 

Regarding the new feedback system, I think it is cool. I see there are some little typos on the transcription, but that's okay. We'll see how the uptake goes in the coming days.

kendsouza · 43d ago

I agree..it is cool. I rather talk than write..it comes across as genuine and is much quicker.
I had stopped giving feedback a while ago, but I will give this a shot!

mattoconnell · 42d ago

I get the speed aspect of voice, but quality tends to have a correlation with speed. The feedback I received in text was of far higher quality from weeks past. The feedback I gave was probably 10x worse this week then weeks past.

manojranaweera · 43d ago

By the way Ken, we are running https://skilledup.life HR Volunteer Training on 9th at 9 am GMT.

What's the status on https://www.skilledup.life/opportunity/cloudinfosystems-llc-109-1244-hr-volunteer/? If you have short listed or appointed any, do let me know. Do send them for training as well.

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/skilledup-life-hr-volunteer-training-tickets-222404767647

12 have signed up already.

This is from the previous training https://www.edocr.com/v/kagnvevx/skilleduplife/skilledup-life-hr-introductory-training

Catch you soon.

adeelkhan-ASI · 25d ago

Hmm I have an idea. Who is good at coding & ML?

kendsouza · 42d ago

I did not bother to look at the transcription. Listened to all the verbal feedback and it was great. Much superior to the written feedback. There is a human touch and now I can know easily whether the person has taken the time to go through my project or not. Written feedback was never effective feedback. Most of thee written feedback I had received, was a obvious copy and paste hack with a little change here and there and useless URLs.
Verbal feedback is a good excercise. It forces you to talk..and talk you must when seeking out investors or customers. Now is a good time as any!
Overall I feel it will be good for the Pioneer community. It will weed out the bad apples and some of the fake projects.

Peerhose.com · 41d ago

This!

goforbg · 42d ago

I like the update but then I realized whatever I said on the mic was transcribed to random gibberish. I like the feature, I'd like both text and audio.

Neanderthal · 42d ago

You can see your own transcription? Could you share your experience as a Loom video?

dumbledore-429401 · 42d ago

Did anyone get any weird feedback after the audio change? I got something very weird and borderline inappropriate but don't know if it was just transcribed badly.

Neanderthal · 42d ago

haha:) Like what? Can you share it?

mattoconnell · 42d ago

I got feedback calling an aspect of my update a lie and had to reach out. It turns out they were saying Alignr which is our product name.

Neanderthal · 42d ago

oh, Ahaha :) that's awesome...

Neanderthal · 42d ago

I wonder what transcription service they are using for the feedback system. Google STT? Amazon STT?

Samyak · 42d ago

Agreed

mattoconnell · 42d ago

After receiving audio feedback, I'm curious how others feel about the quality of the feedback? Also did anyone else get value in sharing / receiving resource links in feedback?

Neanderthal · 42d ago

How about if we do only short video feedback? I find videos powerful.

AndyDent-Touchgram · 42d ago

As I'm filling in my responses this week I realised the biggest problem - I frequently refer people to sites and podcasts. There's no easy way to enter a URL in voice.

curtaustin · 42d ago

I verbally spelled out a name, as I was concerned the transcribe would miss something in spelling of links etc...where the link involves a proper name.

curtaustin · 42d ago

I do understand the transcribing programs, ai, templates etc...to make notetaking easier. What it would miss I find, is writing forces the person leaving the feedback to be concise. I will apologize now to all...

curtaustin · 42d ago

Went through this process very concerned after feedback, did not get as many done as usual. Surprisingly tiring leaving feedback, found the feedback more thoughtful and helpful as the tonality and inflection emphasize the good and bad like normal conversations. Still miss the link feature when feedback is left, without more of a "make work" function perhaps a combination of short text and max time limit on vocal is in the future.